017 - Rod (how good 90s music?, creating music software for better teaching)

00:00:00: For four days, three hundred souls lived inside a bubble of music and connection.

00:00:06: It was called the Jacob Collier Hideaway.

00:00:09: it was truly transformational experience A place where everyone embraced exploration openness and curiosity.

00:00:19: But what happens when you leave this bubble?

00:00:22: When your scattered back to your own corner?

00:00:26: For me, the experience was too meaningful to let it fade into a distant memory.

00:00:32: So this podcast is my anchor A space to share

00:00:36: who you are

00:00:37: Stories inspiration creative aspirations and struggles.

00:00:45: These are hideaway stories And to begin each episode I asked every guest To bring song sound jingle.

00:01:00: that's meaningful.

00:01:02: that inspired them, and this is the sound for my next guest.

00:01:14: I know it's a brief sound...

00:01:16: It's brief!

00:01:18: ...is very brief.

00:01:20: It's a breathe sound.

00:01:22: there's a whole song That comes after this.

00:01:25: This is Don't Stand So Close to Me by The Police.

00:01:28: And..the reason why i chose this sound Is because ..it is one of my first musical memories And I have a very vivid sort of memory... ...of this song.

00:01:44: I don't remember if i had listened to it before, but.. ..I remembered being in the supermarket with my mom and she was speaking some shampoo-and they were playing this song!

00:01:57: And I just like stood there and listened.

00:02:01: That's something that when I as kid....that is so very analytic of sound.

00:02:08: and later on as I started studying music, i learned that this is actually in the lead-in mode.

00:02:15: And one thing i love about this song is it's very listenable!

00:02:18: It has a lot of very complex parts as most of the police music.

00:02:22: but at the same time uh...it's quite complex like when you analyze it..and they make your work.

00:02:29: so thats reason why chose to sound today.

00:02:32: hmm wow that's so cool.

00:02:35: So first of all um The police is amazing just to get it out there.

00:02:39: I love it.

00:02:41: What did you hear?

00:02:43: Can You still remember the moment?

00:02:45: what Did you here in that moment That you didn't hear from other music?

00:02:48: yeah, well i knew that There was.

00:02:52: i guess that now that my ear Is more advanced and let me show you real quick whats going on there.

00:03:00: This is a. this is a Lydian scale right And the sound That's the first part.

00:03:11: And then it changes here and Then he just goes back and forth from those two tones, right?

00:03:17: So it's it's Lydian and then you go to hear become sort of like Becomes serve like that Aeolian sound now while they're still playing that and then the melody goes Over that bass right.

00:03:37: so steel sounding very Lydian between those two sounds and I said like that's That's different.

00:03:45: That's difference, I guess that I was.

00:03:48: I Was used to listening to.

00:03:49: music though is very tonal?

00:03:50: And that's what there was like in the radio etc.. And mind you that i am a millennial.

00:03:58: so A lot of great music was going on around that time But it was mostly tonal.

00:04:05: And then the cool thing about this song is that eventually it goes

00:04:14: to...

00:04:15: Right?

00:04:16: and that part is tonal.

00:04:17: So I just knew there was like a, now i know its a modal interchange!

00:04:22: At the time It's strange but sounds cool.

00:04:25: Now if you also analyze rhythm You have sort of like a reggae vibe going on at very beginning so he has little bit everything.

00:04:35: And if you analyze other the police music, You're also gonna find like this curiosities of sound which I think are great and For me growing up.

00:04:47: I feel Like i was Sort Of like exploring like dissecting Music even though?

00:04:56: I didn't really have The tools to do it and That's that would Really call my attention when I Was like must be like four or five.

00:05:11: Okay, that's That's crazy.

00:05:13: because so first of all do you know?

00:05:16: Do we have perfect pitch?

00:05:18: I do not.

00:05:19: I want to believe that I have very good relative pitch and working on developing music houses.

00:05:24: They've learned a lot too just by observing the interconnection.

00:05:28: some music But I don't have perfect Pitch

00:05:33: Mm-hmm.

00:05:34: okay There's many things that I want to explore.

00:05:38: what we have to do it one by one.

00:05:42: Okay, I'll just put out the topics because otherwise.

00:05:46: It would probably be.

00:05:49: So let's just out in the open.

00:05:51: so first of all the police.

00:05:53: I'd just want to say go a tiny bit into the police and then i Wanted to explore you as four-year old?

00:06:01: Because there is no way that this, what you just explained to me with Lydian.

00:06:06: That you knew it as a four-year old.

00:06:08: so I want to stay there.

00:06:12: and then... You mentioned studying music?

00:06:15: So i wanted go there!

00:06:17: You mention the great music around your time when were millennial.. I think we have heated debate about that because in the nineties was one of worst decades ever.

00:06:30: interesting.

00:06:31: yeah.

00:06:32: So I'm super interested in what you feel is good in the nineties.

00:06:38: And yeah, that's so far... That's it!

00:06:42: Oh no and musicalisys which are something that you developed and if anyone's listening to this on audio It really worth also looking at video of this because its going be shared on screen the entire time.

00:07:01: And it helps, which you can explain later to see notes and make much more with that so You Can Go Into That Later!

00:07:11: Yeah but let's go back and start With...with you as a four-year old listening To this....and As I said..you probably wouldn't know anything about The analysis of It right?

00:07:27: So what Did get you in that moment of listening?

00:07:32: Was it just the subconscious part, oh that's different.

00:07:35: or how did it catch you.

00:07:39: I think that... You were talking and asking a question about absolute pitch or perfect pitch And i was always very good at recognizing modes even though i didn't really know when i was that age but i could hear like that sounds like that, right?

00:07:59: So you know I had sort of like buckets in my head off songs.

00:08:04: That sounded similar.

00:08:06: so for example um You know at that song of the police in Lydian also really sounded to me Like The Zelda.

00:08:15: Um There's a there some melody In the in the Zelda game That the soundtrack is playing in Lidien and the melody, I think it's in C-ledion?

00:08:37: And he does... So i knew that those two lived in the same world.

00:08:52: That is what i knew!

00:08:59: through those different pieces of music, which now I know are modes.

00:09:06: So yeah my four-year old didn't really know much about what was going on but there wasn't an intrinsic sense of pleasure in certain pieces of sound that i could put together and... Yeah!

00:09:22: That was sort like analysis, my first attempt to analyze music I guess unconsciously.

00:09:31: We can linger on this topic and am happy too but i'm really interested in getting into the nineties conversation... Okay

00:09:40: let's do it!

00:09:41: Let's Do It!

00:09:43: I don't know how much shitstorm im going to earn because sometimes Im very distinct about the nineties.

00:09:54: Yeah, let's get into it.

00:09:56: What do you like?

00:09:57: You said there is great music around that time.

00:10:00: yeah Tell me tell me about it.

00:10:02: I mean i used to watch MTV obviously and i think That everything was Very well thought through.

00:10:11: i Was Into new metal at a very young age or whenever Time you had corn limb biscuit linking park On on television on the top ten.

00:10:23: Now, mind you that I was living in Mexico at the time.

00:10:27: And there were other music but American Music always called me a lot and i would never miss it!

00:10:34: This is where my conversations with friends from school when next day we'd say this song came out or this song isn't on top three whatever right?

00:10:45: And really like Korn That's my favorite band which they actually lean onto.

00:10:52: One of the modes too, The Locrian mode.

00:10:54: And I thought it was fascinating.

00:10:57: but at the same time you had pop music.

00:11:00: You have the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC.

00:11:02: You've got Savage Garden.

00:11:05: He's a big fan of Savage Garden.

00:11:08: Those are very different worlds.

00:11:09: obviously Musically, the intention everything is different But i think that Everything was very listenable but it was still thought through.

00:11:23: I think that there is an effort for the album, putting together songs...I remember buying CDs and getting a booklet reading through lyrics.

00:11:35: so there's some magic of not really having streaming or waiting at least to see music video.

00:11:47: So yeah, I think that musically it was very full.

00:11:55: It had a lot of influence from different things and for me the change wasn't in the two thousands And...I don't know how you feel about current state music but now i'm also feeling we're entering an era.

00:12:13: That is great!

00:12:16: Probably we're gonna disagree in two points.

00:12:19: I have a sense

00:12:20: but

00:12:21: what do you think?

00:12:23: Okay, so here's my take on it.

00:12:25: What i hear and that is where I agree You said metal use mentioned corn limb biscuit these kind of music And also you mention pop music.

00:12:37: now to me this was This Is Where I Where My Take Begins.

00:12:45: I feel that the center of music which i would say is typical charts, pop music everybody listens to.

00:12:56: That was unlistenable until today still!

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00:13:10: I did it again.

00:13:11: quit

00:13:12: quit playing games with my heart.

00:13:13: Oops, I did that again.

00:13:14: spy skulls II.

00:13:17: I Could never like find a nice music so I could never get myself over to Shout to it?

00:13:25: I don't know.

00:13:26: To get myself drunk and then suddenly like it It's just not my kind of thing.

00:13:31: And also when I see like what was in the charts Euro dance, I don't know right set fret stuff like that which i just found it's interesting.

00:13:43: you said well thought through to me this was really the pinnacle of music is a product and in every fiber of the music that this is a product.

00:14:02: It might be well thought through, but even I didn't like the production of it much.

00:14:07: there was no deep bass in it... There were cheap drums and totally thin musics aswell!

00:14:15: There's not lot balance on the harmonical sphere from one hertz to thousand kilohertz i don' know..i found very basic.

00:14:25: But now thats where im coming maybe closer to you, is if you leave that center and go into the edges of their nineties like really the things that you mentioned metal drum and bass electronic music rap music all these things.

00:14:43: there was so much going on.

00:14:45: That almost changed how the next decades were innovated by it inspired I think what music is now.

00:14:59: You can hear a lot of influences from, off course the eighties to seventies then nineties.

00:15:08: not so much it's...from the center part but from the edges of the nineties.

00:15:12: you can see that how much influence there is and ummm.. So thats' How I See The Nineties!

00:15:18: i could never listen to the charts in the ninetys Never.

00:15:22: Well

00:15:22: There Is Something To Keep In Mind Too Which Is Music was still not fully global.

00:15:29: So your charts, like you said the Euro music for example.

00:15:34: I never listened to that.

00:15:35: That was not in the MTV that i watched when i was in Mexico right?

00:15:40: so there were Still a little bit of.

00:15:41: and then When i came to the u.s because it Was going back and forth since i was kid When i Came here The kids Here had Like Different music that they showed To me.

00:15:51: so For Example in Mexico i Had Never Heard Of Tool or A perfect Circle.

00:15:56: That was a little later.

00:15:57: Sorry, what about Rhythm Is A Dancer by Snap?

00:16:03: Did you hear that in Mexico?

00:16:05: Not so much!

00:16:07: I don't think that type of music and hip-hop and rap were as popular other than Eminem.

00:16:13: Okay

00:16:14: But...

00:16:15: Yeah, Eminem is late nineties.

00:16:17: here

00:16:18: I know there's great music like you said Like In The Edges right?

00:16:21: Maybe not necessarily.

00:16:23: What Was Charting?

00:16:24: You also had Other Musicians.

00:16:26: You had Jeff Buckley was from the nineties to create musician for me one of the best singers that there's ever been and I think That we may disagree on this but i think what?

00:16:40: I meant by, that structure is sometimes you have some music before.

00:16:44: That There Was not really Listenable And We Have To Understand That.

00:16:49: There was A time Where The Music That We know Let'S Say From The Classical Era Beethoven and Mozart, etc.

00:16:58: There was like some sort of dress code that you had to come in... You have to understand a little bit about music.

00:17:05: maybe you play the piano Maybe uh....you know..You've been taught in music.

00:17:11: you attended so many concerts that understood what's going on.

00:17:15: That is not required later on Which we can argue if thats good thing or bad thing.

00:17:19: But I'm trying say I feel like in the nineties, we still had that melting pot where you have some of the influence.

00:17:29: There's some corn arrangements... ...that are very classical.

00:17:34: Very classical!

00:17:35: So there is still that influence but at the same time.. ..there an attempt for at least the singles to be a format or song with a verse and pre-chorus chords which is what we know now right?

00:17:48: And again, going back to the point that music wasn't so globalized.

00:17:52: Like right now you can find somebody who sounds like Sabrina Carpenter or whoever else in Russia...in Germany In Spain..In Mexico They will basically go for a sound thats globalised.

00:18:07: So those are my thoughts.

00:18:12: Yeah I get that part.

00:18:14: It started at the nineties.

00:18:17: Of course there has always been people who have transcended it Michael Jackson or um, I don't know.

00:18:22: maybe Madonna something someone like that.

00:18:25: But those were of course the peak off.

00:18:28: The peak Of the people in the music industry.

00:18:32: but What's definitely true is?

00:18:35: That the and everything south of the USA Hasn't been anywhere globally.

00:18:43: i mean the latin america middle america all these parts of the world jay balvin currently

00:18:50: Bad Bunny the best

00:18:53: I mean in the nineties.

00:18:55: yeah, no

00:18:56: like when you say globalized.

00:18:59: I'm saying that this part of the music it's like The everything south of to use a in the Nineties mm-hmm.

00:19:07: there wasn't much Exported from the sound into the world But we would.

00:19:14: when you listen now and when you talk about globalized?

00:19:17: I feel that there is much more.

00:19:19: there's much less boundary, especially within genre but also within borders.

00:19:27: So country borders and I feel that you're right this is now more globalized.

00:19:35: it started in the nineties.

00:19:38: I

00:19:44: mean Latin America was a strong market within itself, so you had a lot of people from... You had Italians singing in Spanish and coming to Mexico.

00:19:53: And Mexico is the biggest market for music.

00:19:56: So you have a lot like Colombian South American Venezuelan Guatemalan People come into Mexico build their careers.

00:20:12: So that was its own market on a zone.

00:20:14: But yeah, it was not globalized.

00:20:16: in that sense From time to time you did have like some acts coming and there was a big complaint in Mexico Like why are we getting?

00:20:23: You know certain artists come here but Yeah sorry got get lost in the train of thought.

00:20:31: No no I mean That's exactly what I meant.

00:20:33: I mean within their countries Of course

00:20:38: huge huge

00:20:39: artist.

00:20:40: yep

00:20:42: I mean, in the nineties did you hear anything about... I don't know.

00:20:46: Ramstein?

00:20:47: K-K-Kpop?

00:20:48: J-Pop?

00:20:49: Like there was nothing.

00:20:51: Asia had their country Had people listening to their own music.

00:20:57: There were maybe Europe and USA.

00:20:59: They're a bit closer together.

00:21:01: But that wasn't anything like Asian Music In America.

00:21:05: That's no Latin Music in Asia.

00:21:09: And that's I think what changed radically.

00:21:12: Yeah, yeah No you're right and we agree a hundred percent in that and I think that right now if you think about it We now have superstars from all over the world.

00:21:24: sound has been globalized to a certain extent and i actually see A transition right now.

00:21:31: where?

00:21:32: I Think The direction is that we are going to start creating our own fractured markets.

00:21:40: I think that people are gonna be more interested in listening to you, maybe even if your on the other side of world and becoming a super fan.

00:21:49: And not meaning necessarily like you're huge artist but you start creating small communities online...I would say that in person as well!

00:22:05: The response, sort of the counterculture Of what's happening with AI.

00:22:10: Right?

00:22:11: That you can just snap your fingers and get a new song in ten seconds which is wild.

00:22:16: I think that thats going to change also...the dynamics of how we What markets do.

00:22:24: we belong too.

00:22:25: You know what i mean?

00:22:34: You.

00:22:35: I think your approach to releasing and having people within the Within your country or close to you who are be able to visit?

00:22:48: You in a concert has To Be thought differently than if you're just someone Who's let's Just use The tiktok example, the Tiktok musician.

00:22:57: Who Has A very Very Nice Thirty Second Snippet And Gets Global Fame from That Which Is?

00:23:06: i wouldn't Judge it in the sense that its bad, but It's just a completely different approach to music.

00:23:12: and And there is I think as you said very fragmented.

00:23:16: I mean There are people who um...I don't know have millions of followers?

00:23:23: then i hear about their name and never heard Of them and they're like oh no!

00:23:27: They Have Millions of Followers and im Like okay

00:23:31: Okay

00:23:31: yeah..i dont know.

00:23:33: Yeah You were like.

00:23:35: idk what That means Because it's so strange, right?

00:23:39: Yeah.

00:23:41: Now people can have millions of followers and you've never heard them.

00:23:47: It is a fracture market for sure.

00:24:00: I

00:24:09: was dipping my toes with what i said about creating those fragmented markets.

00:24:25: people are creating those communities of affinities that you may feel a little closer to somebody, thats in your vicinity than someone who is super star and they're so out-of reach.

00:24:50: And I think its good thing if you think about like umm...and i will agree with the industrialization music which when it happened It sort created this one pipeline Right where every like all the stream of music goes through and you have to consume from that.

00:25:12: And nobody really thinks about that in the sense that we don't like processed foods.

00:25:17: We don't Like sort of like overtreated Anything that we ingest.

00:25:24: yet, we don' do that same thing for music.

00:25:28: so at one point In time we had people owning pianos in their home And and most people would be musical.

00:25:36: Most families would play you know the piano, and they would maybe play instruments together.

00:25:42: So I think that music went from being something that Everybody should be involved in.

00:25:48: i don't want to say everybody because it's not an order but everybody That's interested Would Be part of It?

00:26:04: singing, performing etc.

00:26:07: and being able to recognize the you know...the beauty of what they're doing The difficulty, the discipline based on their own experience Of what it takes to play like that To sing Like That etc.

00:26:23: So I think that um..I Think that-that the music production scene Was already going in that direction of unifying everything?

00:26:36: Everything already sounded kind of the same.

00:26:38: So I'm not really scared about AI at all, i think it's going to make those jobs more efficient but It's gonna Make people turn back again To The discipline and music to actually Playing.

00:26:54: you know way That is like okay there's a human playing right.

00:26:58: its different if You see somebody you Know playing the FIFA video game, seeing live people who are real putting like best of their best in there work to be able score a goal.

00:27:16: So I think that respect for musicians it's coming back and we were able see with Jacob because he is actually doing.

00:27:32: He's doing the thing live.

00:27:34: My first experience watching him was, I think it was sort of like a TED Talk but he played with loops and this guy is insane because... ...he doesn't make mistakes!

00:27:49: Basically right?

00:27:50: And for that you need a lot of practice and knowledge.

00:27:53: so there are levels of respect where i feel its going to go back.

00:27:59: we're gonna start craving more.

00:28:00: So that's what I mean when i think music is returning in a different way.

00:28:07: It's coming back,

00:28:11: just to give the quick side note on Jacob doesn't make mistakes...I'm quite sure he would wholeheartedly disagree but his ways of making mistakes are probably so well masked within everything else thought it's completely, how do you say?

00:28:36: It is a completely conscious choice.

00:28:39: But he so quick I think to go with the mistake and make it great that i think thats how we perceive in his head.

00:28:48: probably its like oh there something happened!

00:28:51: And now gonna adapt to it but for us from outside would just thing.

00:28:58: that was deliberate.

00:29:00: I think that he understands music, obviously through his sense of fear.

00:29:06: That for me might be more a brain thing and we're going to get into musicalysis... ...and the intention is just being able to share your way.

00:29:19: you are thinking about the music because everything lives in your head And I think that what he's doing is just catching himself like, okay.

00:29:27: I got this thing so i know What to do from there but they're still A level of knowledge.

00:29:32: did you need for?

00:29:33: That?

00:29:34: So Even though it's a mistake in the sense that he's improvising He may not know exactly what he Just Like was trying to do or what came out But he knows what it means so that he can adapt and then move from There.

00:29:48: so And rhythmically too that's The Thing.

00:29:52: I Think that I think that i'm in a very good place harmonically and most of the things he explains, but when it comes to rhythm... That's another different separate beast.

00:30:04: He also masters!

00:30:05: So you put all those things together so someone can just be regarded as discipline genius for some people would call it that or Talented etc.

00:30:25: and I love that.

00:30:26: I love the fact that we are.

00:30:29: We're sort of how do you say this praising?

00:30:35: Or raising up people who Who dedicate were dedicated to have a passion.

00:30:42: so, that's the part that really excites me.

00:30:44: hmmm i think It's true That People Are Now Going Back To wanting to Support an artist Specifically.

00:30:56: also when they're small.

00:30:58: I think their value gets through that it's valuable to have someone you just like and even if They're not famous.

00:31:05: It still as valuable.

00:31:08: Yeah

00:31:10: Then Someone Like Going To Rihanna Concert.

00:31:13: yeah,

00:31:13: i Think One Major Problem That We Have With That Is Hindering The Entire Process.

00:31:22: In my opinion, or from what I see is that actually going to a concert To see your live performance

00:31:32: Is

00:31:32: so bad And it's got getting worse and worse and worst in my opinion Like first of all the prices are out-of control completely.

00:31:43: i feel That The way... What you have to deal with to get to the venue how much time you have to spend beforehand.

00:31:55: How many sometimes I feel.

00:31:59: the bands, what is it?

00:32:00: The warm-up bands... No!

00:32:02: What's their name for that?

00:32:06: Not the headliners but...

00:32:07: Opening bands?

00:32:09: Yeah opening acts also are out of control.

00:32:19: Coldplay concert there were like two hours with four opening acts and a lot of like.

00:32:26: I don't know video in between.

00:32:28: And Like, I don' t know what this is you know?

00:32:35: So so i feel that the life experience In small venues.

00:32:39: it's great and i love drew angers who was an episode thirteen if u listen to them.

00:32:47: he has an approach to actually renting the venue and making his sale

00:32:56: through

00:32:57: like going into its own pocket.

00:33:00: And no ticket masters in between, all of these things.

00:33:03: I really love that approach but thats hard.

00:33:06: That's startup business kind of you know?

00:33:10: Like a really hard business model so not everybody is able do it.

00:33:18: I think you're completely right and i would love to have it even like a boost, that people wouldn't be able make living from an easier.

00:33:31: but there are so many stones in the way.

00:33:33: So many hurdles.

00:33:35: In my opinion

00:33:37: A hundred percent Let's Be Honest The reality, even though this might be hard for some musicians that put their heart and souls into the recordings.

00:33:49: For some people it's regarded just as promotional material.

00:33:53: Your music is your business card That you're going to give away.

00:33:58: It's like when you get a business card that costs you money right?

00:34:00: But if you are giving them away And If You Get Nice Ones Then You Are Still Going To Give Them Away.

00:34:04: People Eventually Will Throw Them Out Or Put Them In A Cabinet.

00:34:10: I think that the fact we're able to use AI now, to lower the barrier of entry for that promotional material.

00:34:17: To get you out there and have people looping on your music... If you get to automate part of this process then it's great!

00:34:28: This is a totally different subject which is what actually are YOU talking about?

00:34:33: What do you talk about as an artist?

00:34:35: That's very important but what i mean?

00:34:39: it will lower the barrier of entry for you to be able do something when actually meet your fans live, let's say.

00:34:49: When you give more than just music that was recorded at some point and I think same thing like said with now this also technology systems people can start fundraising they can start managing their own tickets etc... That creates.

00:35:09: There were so many middlemen that now I think these tools, this technology is going to empower musicians a lot.

00:35:18: That's what i feel and thats' what i see when go out meet with other musician And...and..i think its beautiful This response.

00:35:29: of two topics we are talking about.

00:35:32: One is yes the technology entering new era gonna be so incredible, and we're already getting a sense of it.

00:35:41: But I feel like some people are getting a little hooked with the whole AI thing if its good thing or bad things etc...I think he has lots possibilities!

00:35:58: And I have so many opinions about this, and we'll probably need a five hour conversation to really see the nuance in it.

00:36:15: But from one standpoint i can see... So I will just make very broad statement that is maybe ones of following AI since years now and really closely.. Every new releases of models and so on.

00:36:35: And the conversations around it socially, and The most typical breakdown I can give now currently is...I think AI is enhancing individual Is good for an individual's perspective But from a social perspective It's probably almost only negative like that Impact it has on culture, society and capitalism.

00:37:07: On economy... All of these aspects from a social perspective is probably very impactly cognitive but for an individual standpoint I think its positive.

00:37:33: sort of go out and use the output or the results, or the benefits of AI in order to fulfill all that other part.

00:37:44: But you have to be a critical person right?

00:37:47: Like you have two understand what's good with it was bad What's moral which not more etc.

00:37:55: but at the same time do something with it.

00:37:56: I think That is inevitable.

00:37:58: It's here And i think we are gonna have to adapt.

00:38:03: We at least in this conversation.

00:38:06: I'm gonna try to be the one saying Hmm, there's a silver lining in this.

00:38:13: you know That's that's the way that I've tried to approach this whole situation.

00:38:18: But I also understand You know everything else?

00:38:21: but The people are talking about and concerned about And we should be but I think that we just have to be informed and we have too.

00:38:32: Hopefully people will start caring more about going through these event.

00:38:36: It's kind of sad to see like starting musicians, independent musicians when they're first starting it is very hard for them and now that their able do more stuff we should support more.

00:38:48: so I think its in the people.

00:38:54: how can we help?

00:38:56: They are making it easier for us.

00:38:58: Now they got this page i will actually go donate or i'll actually go and support.

00:39:04: So we have to be aware of how to just do our part, you know?

00:39:11: That's what I can say.

00:39:14: Yeah let's leave it at that because... Let's leave

00:39:16: with the

00:39:17: dad!

00:39:17: Because its such a big topic but i can relate in some sense.

00:39:29: There's one thing you know, let's just.

00:39:38: I mean it.

00:39:38: we have forty minutes.

00:39:40: It's time to introduce You like who actually are you use?

00:39:44: already mentioned where your from but maybe give a bigger of background.

00:39:48: and What are you currently doing?

00:39:50: What's what do make a living with?

00:39:52: may be you can explain a bit.

00:39:55: yeah Well my name is Rodolfo Gogh.

00:40:01: I boy i go by that acronym which is my last names.

00:40:04: What do you mean,

00:40:07: what's the acronym?

00:40:09: Gómez Urquiza García is my... My full last name.

00:40:13: It was three words and I just put them into one And this has been sort of my alias as an artist.

00:40:23: so You'll find my music.

00:40:25: How am i going to...?

00:40:28: What?

00:40:28: how do I call you

00:40:30: Rod!

00:40:31: In English it's easier.

00:40:35: I'm aware that my Hispanic name sometimes is complicated, especially with the R. But yeah... My full name is Rodolfo Gómez Urquiza García.

00:40:45: Dramatic as it can be!

00:40:47: As a Hispanic person?

00:40:49: Love it!

00:40:49: And uh

00:40:53: and i think that i am at this point I want to think that i am an innovator in the education space of music and more specifically, in the communication space of Music.

00:41:07: And for last years have been working on this software called MusiCalsis which I wanna get into.

00:41:13: but my previous background is...I went to school from Music.

00:41:18: It was.. I studied music composition and music production.

00:41:26: actually I was a performing artist.

00:41:30: Where did you come to America?

00:41:53: I had the opportunity of touring internally in Mexico In different bands then.

00:42:07: I was a ghost on rider for The second which is the Society Of Composers and Mexico.

00:42:14: And Then i started teaching.

00:42:19: it's interesting because, I feel like For a lot of people sometimes they want to they really want the performance part.

00:42:32: And for me it was the other way around, like I...I was touring and playing since i was nineteen, writing songs in the studio doing all of that..and then I found myself an education!

00:42:45: It just kept going back to that because music is so fascinating as if you put everything aside-the fame.

00:42:54: though At one point I realized that's what really interested me.

00:43:03: In a TV show, in The Voice and Mexico... ...I did the show And it was sort of like a pivotal moment for me as well.. ..I'm still performing after that But i came to realization that the lifestyle wasn't great For Me.

00:43:21: I also had few health conditions.

00:43:25: I Had vocal surgery at One Point And it made me realize that what I was in for music, just... That moment of peace he can give you.

00:43:38: My mom is a cancer survivor and she had treatment when i was fifteen.

00:43:45: It's an impactful moment to my life.

00:43:50: She told one day the two things save her life were medicine & Music.

00:43:58: So at one point I decided that i wanted to pursue That right and for a long time.

00:44:03: I thought, he was going To be performing making songs.

00:44:05: you know Auditoriums And all of that and i'm sure that would have been great.

00:44:11: but At One Point i also noticed that there is A sense when You see other people being part Of the music?

00:44:18: That Is super Super super important.

00:44:22: what He can create in your live performance For example In everything People feel through music or can do, it's one of the only tools we have really to unify people.

00:44:35: We can have completely different thought processes... ...we could be in different moments and live at different ages

00:44:40: etc.,

00:44:41: disagreements but when you sing a song they're in sync!

00:44:45: It is incredible that there are concerts where you have people singing the same songs.

00:44:48: I would say this moment was incredibly in sync And thats just a supernatural experience.

00:44:59: I feel like part of my life is dedicated to music for that sense, what it means for humans.

00:45:07: And then as i started teaching when I moved to the US... ...I just needed a tool To be able explain some things That were important to teach.. I found a lot of empty spaces in ways received my education when I was learning music, and the first thing is singing.

00:45:35: Um...I've been a vocal coach for very long time And..and i think that The fact you can understand what your are singing and treat it just as an instrument and remove all the feeling part because singing is very athletic, but it can also be something that you can practice your scales just like in guitar and piano.

00:45:59: That will actually make you much better!

00:46:01: You could train your ear for example... So I needed a tool where people could visualize what they were singing or listening to And during Covid- or before Covid i decided to start working on music houses.

00:46:17: It was a very primitive tool.

00:46:19: I learned how to code after studying music, I studied business and then i started my master's in data science.

00:46:27: And I learn How To Code a little bit.

00:46:29: it was very manual process.

00:46:30: so is...it was nothing like what Music Alices today but uh..I think It has had the Very Good Results!

00:46:40: I still have....I Have A School Now So I have teachers that teach using The Software.

00:46:45: um...and Well, I don't have that's a terrible thing to say.

00:46:50: I work with teachers That use this tool For which i'm very grateful for and they're.

00:46:58: there are amazing musicians in teachers as well.

00:47:01: And...and I think that This tool allowed us To communicate the ideas that we had.

00:47:09: So..I started during Covid not really knowing that Covid was coming.

00:47:13: then Covid hit and then we were able to grow because I had already started this idea of developing, this visual tool that works great for remote sessions.

00:47:25: So that has been my life... For the last few years i've been very dedicated to it..I have been developing these for a longer time.

00:47:32: A lot of music analysis.

00:47:35: there's an algorithm that detects the music theory in real-time And This was based on my observation when I was at college as studying composition.

00:47:45: Wait, sorry to interrupt.

00:47:50: I need to know where we are currently because when you say there is a lot of musical analysis Do you mean now?

00:47:59: You're talking about Musicalysis or do you mean other tools on the market?

00:48:06: well The name music Alice's comes from music analysis.

00:48:10: So i think i may have said music analysis.

00:48:14: Yes

00:48:16: No,

00:48:18: what I mean is you can start introducing the tool because i'm very interested in how it works and sounds so interesting.

00:48:40: keyboard, it follows the keys that you have.

00:48:43: If if you press a certain I don't know harmony of several keys It will show tell you which chord is.

00:48:52: so there are tools That exist like that and i would be very interested in how You approach this part?

00:49:01: And also How do you differentiate from other tools?

00:49:09: Because I remember in hideaway.

00:49:11: when you showed it to me, You had your laptop out and still remembered like the table we were sitting at.

00:49:19: And you were pulling a laptop on there explaining... ...and told something.

00:49:25: this too?

00:49:26: Like that!

00:49:27: It's not....you don't know anything that is like this.

00:49:31: So thats what i'm also interested in.

00:49:33: What makes it different as well?

00:49:36: I think the most important part is that it's a communication tool.

00:49:40: So right now, we don't have your MIDI keyboard connected but if you had when you play... ...I would be able to see in that same interface with what you're playing.

00:49:50: so If i Play Right Now You can See What I'm Playing But I Would Be Able To See In Different Color With Your Playing.

00:49:56: That Makes It Collaborative And What Makes It Different From Other Tools Is The First Thing.

00:50:06: The intention is to communicate.

00:50:08: So when you are working on your iPad and just following a song, first of all the way teaching it through songs right?

00:50:15: You learn a song but basically its gonna look like this so...you don't understand what's going on.

00:50:23: let say that was your first approach.

00:50:25: music..You dont' understand!

00:50:26: You're just sort pressing keys there.

00:50:29: no logic you not learning accumulating knowledge by playing songs.

00:50:34: Only if you go to school and somebody sits down with you, explains hey this is what's going on.

00:50:38: This a minor chord or major chord.

00:50:41: It's like they're showing now how to communicate.

00:50:46: You are learning words instead of the individual notes would be like syllables.

00:50:53: So you start putting together the word then eventually phrases so that becomes more complex musician based your understanding of certain patterns.

00:51:06: So the first thing is The music analysis, I have not seen it.

00:51:12: It's also based on my When when i went to school for composition?

00:51:18: I wrote sort of my thesis and a lot of fit it in its how this algorithm works.

00:51:25: so It will show you the different scales in real time, so if I play like right now we're on G major.

00:51:30: Right?

00:51:31: But If i go to C Major by playing a II V I and in C major it would recognize that...I need turn this ON!

00:51:37: And then if I played...it knows that I am in C Major....and then I could just go outside of scale..and start playing other stuff.....And he'll give me the real-time analysis Everything that I am playing.

00:51:55: so it's making it easier.

00:51:56: because you said, I'm not very good at music theory.

00:51:59: This is how most people feel and they're sort of terrified cuz It's kind of... People see it in lazy numbers And think i don't want to do math.

00:52:07: Just wanna feel what he gets To a point where you get stuck.

00:52:11: So You can Get started by learning A few songs.

00:52:13: but it's basically.

00:52:16: Imagine That I work to teach Spanish But I cannot Tell you What it Means.

00:52:22: So you just have to repeat this, and it has an effect on people.

00:52:26: Sometimes he makes them laugh.

00:52:27: if You say something they might be offended.

00:52:29: If you say another thing They're gonna cry but you don't know why.

00:52:34: so I think that when you Understand music theory It's just much easier to do Something with it To Be able to express yourself And actually see as a communication skill right?

00:52:50: Can I emphasize that part because i know exactly what you're talking about.

00:52:54: Im actually in that position, Because when I make music... ...I'm going completely by ear and taste.

00:53:05: So im just pressing down chords & melodies on my MIDI keyboard Which im not even good at doing but In the sense of playing virtual things Like a chord progression I can figure that out from.

00:53:22: oh, no.

00:53:22: I don't want this Chord having coming there.

00:53:25: I want...I need another note here so that it feels different like get vibe But i don't know at all what?

00:53:32: I'm doing if I try to recreate It in Another I Don't Know Scale.

00:53:37: I would be completely lost because I didn't even know This is like something added To A major Chord or you know like Minor on.

00:53:47: I would be completely lost, so it's like cooking.

00:53:50: To me is like cooking but you don't even know that your currently using salt or currently using chili You know?

00:53:56: Like correct It's just like oh it tastes in my opinion and taste good But i dont'know what to put into the dish.

00:54:04: Yeah Yes a hundred percent.

00:54:07: And i think That The output of your creations will Be based on your understanding Of music.

00:54:14: Now, there's another very important thing.

00:54:18: Most people who talk about music or are great at music have perfect pitch and these aren't the same people that create The Music Theory but they're not having When you are looking at music in absolute values, so for example if I show You here.

00:54:45: You have the names of notes right see C sharp D etc.

00:54:49: They actually mean there's something called a hand harmonics which is this these E flat will be called e-flat but now In this other context where i play?

00:55:01: Something else.

00:55:02: Now it's called d sharp.

00:55:04: So that Is something That somebody The has perfect pitch can listen to and Can Understand.

00:55:10: But now we need the people who don't have perfect pitch.

00:55:14: We're gonna use your logic and more importantly with a tool our site to understand And it's color-coded.

00:55:21: so they are going be Going back to the initial conversation about modes or things that I could detect when i was kid like, I didn't know what key was but I knew.

00:55:31: okay That sounds Dorian.

00:55:32: Okay?

00:55:32: That sounds mixolydian etc.

00:55:35: Those sort of thing is one can develop.

00:55:37: I've seen great results With People using the tool from not being able to sing at all, uh...to be able to singing first of all because you can see what your singing.

00:55:48: You could also specifically for singing and set up a vocal range which is very important for you to visualize where u are.

00:56:00: it will mean different things for people so your chest voice than a female voice, and your bridge is going to be located differently.

00:56:09: Your whole range's gonna be

00:56:11: different.".

00:56:12: And a lot of people who think that they cannot sing... A lot of the say I just can't sing most times it because They haven't really found their range.

00:56:25: i think everybody can change anybody you can can sing But obviously You have to practice.

00:56:32: but he comes first from understanding where you stand.

00:56:34: Where's it comfortable for you to sing?

00:56:37: And what I see, and this was sort of like the inception or factually pursuing... ...the development of a platform is that most of vocal coaching.

00:56:46: It's based on You have to get your range better because you should be able to Get To That note!

00:56:58: Why don't you transpose the song?

00:57:01: And in musicals, you can do it very easily.

00:57:03: Like I give just play a few chords and then just transpose It... ...and Then You sing In that key That fits your voice.. ..And then once you get good at the important things like Your flexibility Heating The note correctly etc.

00:57:15: making sure that you're also taking care of the breath and all those Things that i would recommend still getting A coach When you Get that right?

00:57:23: THEN YOU CAN START WORRIING ABOUT YOUR RANCH EXPANSION.

00:57:28: So there....I think the tool to your question is like what makes it different?

00:57:33: First of all, my experience from teaching people that there's an order in which you should teach or I think that people should be taught.

00:57:45: That might be different for different people.

00:57:48: so second thing we are not trying replace a teacher.

00:57:54: You talked about few tools show notes and then play along etc.

00:57:57: I don't think that you're going to learn music through that.

00:58:00: You are gonna learn songs, but your not really learning from it and eventually is getting very lonely because the AI won't care if you get better or not...you still need that human interaction.

00:58:11: so as a teaching tool obviously what we do right now.

00:58:19: I want to communicate certain ideas for you.

00:58:21: We could be writing a song, which is something that also still do as go-songwriter with my students and i play the chords And other person can immediately see what am playing.

00:58:34: they understand it.

00:58:35: It's giving your name of chord etc.

00:58:37: so now You start seeing patterns because its visual there no longer only sound like you said.

00:58:44: I know that i love how this sounds.

00:58:51: Oh, and all of a sudden we don't have sound?

00:58:53: There you go!

00:58:55: I LOVE HOW THIS SOUNDS And YOU MAY NOT LOVE HOW THAT SOUNTS Like... That taste is still there But We can Still talk about what's going on here.

00:59:07: Let me turn ON the detection.

00:59:09: WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.

00:59:13: WHAT IS IT THAT I AM PLAYING?

00:59:14: THAT IS ACTUALLY MAKING ME FEEL SOMETHING BUT THERE'S SORT OF LIKE THE OBJECTIVE PART OF IT and then there's the subjective part.

00:59:21: And they don't have to be in conflict, so I... The purpose of this tool is to keep the conversations going!

00:59:30: ...and i would actually argue amplify them.

00:59:33: let's have conversation about music.

00:59:34: where are you playing?

00:59:35: In that song?

00:59:36: what does your vocal range?

00:59:37: why did you choose to sing or that note?

00:59:40: ?I think thats still super interesting.

00:59:44: sorry

00:59:46: that was

00:59:46: a long run

00:59:48: it was but I found it very insightful.

00:59:52: Can you make a real-life example?

00:59:57: Because i think that makes it much more approachable.

01:00:02: Real life examples, for example if you wanted to explain one of your favorite bands Korn and the composition Freak on a leash and somewhere else.

01:00:21: So the famous songs.

01:00:23: I know, but maybe you can tell me your song that or no?

01:00:28: Maybe let's use a famous song because then people... People can follow better.

01:00:33: Freak On A Leash.

01:00:35: Tell Me If You Know The Chords, I don't know.

01:00:40: Frigal ish would be a hard one because it's in low Korean and I don't think that most people wouldn't know.

01:00:45: but like you said let's choose something That Is No,

01:00:48: no But but i think thats great.

01:00:49: Because if If You Wanted to?

01:00:52: I Think Thats Great.

01:00:53: Because I think It Will Explain Probably Even Better What Is even Low Korean.

01:00:59: Like.

01:01:00: Do Know Like Give A sense of what This Tool Can Help You With.

01:01:03: Understanding A Song.

01:01:04: Yeah um oh

01:01:08: I don't want to pressure you, but maybe... You can also choose a different song of course.

01:01:13: Yeah!

01:01:14: To fully analyze the song i would need to listen carefully because i wouldn't remember any songs on top of mine from Korn.

01:01:22: That's definitely something that could be done and i'm planning to start like a series.

01:01:27: Choose

01:01:27: any song that fits you?

01:01:30: To give a perspective, maybe something Mexican.

01:01:32: Maybe the police to give a Perspective on why you how?

01:01:37: You would explain that this song what the song does and why it's great.

01:01:41: Let's take a three-chord progression.

01:01:44: so for example Dino Do you know?

01:01:50: Tennessee whiskey

01:01:52: yes

01:01:54: used to spend my nights out in.

01:02:08: So You know, we could look at.

01:02:12: the chords are very simple.

01:02:13: So you have this and I would say that then you have these.

01:02:20: so those Are your four chords?

01:02:21: We have G A minor And Then you Have C major seven.

01:02:27: so This Would be like in In The G Major Scale You Could Introduce New Chords for example.

01:02:40: Let's let me I could be playing.

01:02:46: Yeah, I Could Be Playing That.

01:02:48: But Then Maybe i want to Re-Harm.

01:02:50: I Want To do something Different?

01:02:51: I want to get this the spicy note right here.

01:02:55: You're Talking About a locker and it's put some Locker in Into It.

01:02:58: so This This This Court Actually Doesn't Belonged to The Original Key that We were In Which was which Was G Major?

01:03:07: So but Why Does he Work?

01:03:11: so It's very close to the next chord that I am going too, but it's easier for me to explain That there is only one difference between this scale and This scale the Lydian Scale which Is The last One For This C Major Seven Chord And Then He Changes To Low Korean.

01:03:28: i can do that.

01:03:29: then i Can Resolve Back Too?

01:03:32: First Chord.

01:03:34: so that Would be an example like Me Explaining Something Like That.

01:03:39: Why Does it Work?

01:03:40: and it'S not Only It doesn't only work for this song, it could work any song.

01:03:45: Now let's say that... This is too low for you.

01:03:51: Can you play out the sequence with the Locrian in the middle?

01:03:56: Sure!

01:03:56: Just so people can follow

01:03:58: better.

01:04:17: You hear there I was leaving the scale, and coming back to this scale.

01:04:23: And then back to the

01:04:24: first chord.

01:04:25: So basically... The scale that you're seeing on screen is when people say what would keys this in?

01:04:32: That it's G major means these are the notes because most people This how musicians think You think about notes that can play, notes that cannot play Black-and-white.

01:04:42: Obviously, if you go outside the scale.

01:04:44: You're going to get other colors and that's where The whole mode thing comes in.

01:04:48: so as you can see there are no Colors here If you just think of the major Scale.

01:04:53: but what you put on the bass actually Matters a lot because thats What will determine the Mode.

01:04:58: So when your playing That same G Major Scale But Your Bass is On one chord or One first Degree Then Thats Going To Sound Aeonian We can get into the specifics of it because its a little more complex.

01:05:12: It has to do with specific tones, the IV and the VII that have to be played.

01:05:16: And then you've got the second chord.

01:05:18: You're still inside this scale...you are not playing anything outside the scale But than you can embellish by stepping out side up the scale.

01:05:28: but you know..You HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO DO IT Because This is just one note of variation.

01:05:34: Your basically changing the C for a C-sharp And everything else stays the same.

01:05:39: That gives you a new possibility of things that you can play.

01:05:43: So, that would be an example Of... You know?

01:05:47: A re-harm we can discuss.

01:05:49: We could call it education but its more communication.

01:05:53: There might be some jazz musician who will play something.

01:05:57: I understand the theory But i don't understand what your doing there.

01:06:00: Can u show to me?

01:06:00: oh ok now i get it.

01:06:02: Now you're playing the fourth degree as an altered tone and And that gives, you were talking about taste.

01:06:10: That tastes I really enjoyed listening to.

01:06:12: but now i understand what it is so that I can appropriate and then use in the future?

01:06:18: Thats sort of like the idea this It's not for you sit down basically learn songs that will follow something strictly.

01:06:27: thats great too.

01:06:28: if want do that.

01:06:30: But music much more than that its much more enjoyable when have conversations And when you're producing or composing music, this is very important too.

01:06:39: This what I do in my ghost song writing sessions.

01:06:41: It's like we are biving on a chord progression and then where were going to go next?

01:06:46: Oh!

01:06:46: We will move here into the other chords.

01:06:48: So now for some musicians let say singers they can sing different tones because that opens more possibilities of things.

01:07:00: your taste still gonna be there.

01:07:02: so i would say Because it's hard the music theory is hard.

01:07:07: Just let The platform do it automatically for you and now Let's have a conversation between you, and I and let's put that out of the way.

01:07:13: But still be instinct in talking about.

01:07:15: You know what matters which?

01:07:16: Is the music making the music enjoyment at the taste etc.

01:07:20: hmm

01:07:24: i really like their approach And although i didn't understand every single Like At some point it felt a tiny bit like Jacob on stage with Jun Lee, you know?

01:07:36: Like playing chord chess.

01:07:38: I don't remember that part which...I enjoyed it but didn't understand anything they were doing from an analytical standpoint.

01:07:51: or.

01:07:51: oh now there going into different scale!

01:07:55: i just enjoy the performance.

01:07:57: We'll have another conversation Philip and you bring your MIDI keyboard, And you are going to play a few of the songs.

01:08:04: we're gonna rearrange them.

01:08:06: It's gonna be great.

01:08:08: Yeah maybe what I know is that um...I Have A lot Of music That i actually made and don't understand Like just like it.

01:08:22: but its true for me at least someone who Neither playing an instrument.

01:08:28: Well, I mean my instrument is logic pro let's say like that and And from that point Going Making a song in electronic music it's not bad important that you have a lot of key changes and crazy arrangements.

01:08:46: It's usually a four beat loop which i can criticize as well but going From That And actually, that's now a good shift into the police and why I like them so much.

01:09:03: Because going from a four-beat loop that I love to vibe off... ...and then shifting it to a bridge or two different things.

01:09:13: suddenly there is a chorus with an element called structure.

01:09:21: These are things that wouldn't first of all wouldn't come natural to me, but also I think it's often that changes the vibe of what you wanted to do.

01:09:35: So there is a specific thing in this song and such great feeling.

01:09:42: And then somebody change something because they go into another part of the song Suddenly its completely different song For example, the police is exceptionally good at.

01:10:00: Is they change so much in within a song?

01:10:05: rhythm beat BPM chords?

01:10:09: The way they sing loud quiet all of this but it's always feels like It's part of the same song and has as a vibe that completely matches what has What They have begun with?

01:10:21: In the song

01:10:22: there is mastery There is mastering what they do.

01:10:26: It's insane, and it's so insane that I rarely hear from any other musician like even if you go to the typical someone who actually a great musician like Bruno Mars You know?

01:10:40: Who has a pop song And The Bridge If took That Bridge From A Song It's completely separated form the beginning.

01:10:50: Its just a different thing.

01:10:53: So, um... And that's what I love about the police.

01:10:59: There is one thing iIove about the Police but also That why see this tool being helpful for someone like me Which of course would need a teacher But to have possibility understand Why this four bar loop Is great and how can go from there To not kill the vibe?

01:11:21: Yes You're understanding, you probably heard the term like one pony trip.

01:11:29: One pony trick and that means... Like we can only do one thing very well And I think eventually when there's no understanding.

01:11:39: Now my world is harmony but in something important which was said My instrument is logic.

01:11:48: People who are more into audio they are in the world of timbre.

01:11:57: Of timbre, I can be playing at same scale two chords for ten minutes but there's a change in timbre because i introduce new instrument.

01:12:07: or im changing envelope on this signal or im synthesizing something different way.

01:12:17: so thats why music is so vast.

01:12:22: Sure jump into that.

01:12:24: Yeah,

01:12:26: I Timberland do you know the producer right?

01:12:29: Yes

01:12:31: He always talks he always tells it sonics Like those the sonics what you said timber and he always says its Sonics which is a strange word for that.

01:12:43: but yeah i get it.

01:12:45: But It's so true.

01:12:46: And actually if You especially If Your are Into into the modern music and everything that is somehow in a similar-esque like four beat loop, similar vein of things.

01:13:04: I think it is probably the most important part... ...is the timbre of the instrument and how it sounds because i actually did an experiment with my production.

01:13:17: just some you know.

01:13:20: I took a sample from, i don't know someone...i think a riff of Franklin and i analyzed the chords.

01:13:26: And then i just made four different songs with the exact same chords.

01:13:32: what were different feelings?

01:13:34: And it's always interesting if you'd then strip away like that.

01:13:39: rhythm..the tempo.

01:13:40: ..the staccato elements.

01:13:42: ...the envelope.

01:13:43: ,what you said.

01:13:44: .And You Just Play The Exact Chords Just On A Piano just the chords, pressing it down on a piano almost always.

01:13:53: It sounds a bit sadder you know?

01:13:56: A little more mellow and relaxed.

01:14:01: The vibe is so different although its exactly same chord.

01:14:05: So interesting And one of the most crazy examples for me.

01:14:11: I don't know much about music analysis but i know at least from saying that Move on up.

01:14:25: I don't think I know that one

01:14:26: move on up, I Can sing the falsetto of Curtis Mayfield but it's a very very party song at least like seventies party.

01:14:35: But it's all minor chords.

01:14:39: and It's so interesting because usually minor chords are sad Like in general talk, but the way it's arranged and that the trumpets playing and the staccato elements make It so happy.

01:14:53: So that's things where I'm fascinated by when i look into songs.

01:15:00: Yeah no.

01:15:02: A lot to unravel there too.

01:15:06: With with that last part There are ways To Make a minor chord sort of Happy.

01:15:14: So for example, if I play let's say a minor chord so... Let me see.

01:15:44: sort of kill the minor five a little bit.

01:15:47: Those are the type things that I think, A lot people feel fascinated about like it doesn't sound sad but why?

01:15:58: The Why...I think if we start exploring the why That empowers you to be able have in your compositions as well To put into and say oh maybe i'll do a minor seventh chord And then neutralize with that minor darkness to it and I can put a little bit of happiness.

01:16:19: And there are other devices that you could use as well with minor chords, and other types of chords but um... But i think the curiosity really is what makes artists stand out .And im gonna take a detour real quick talking about the whole AI thing.

01:16:42: I think that people who have something, let me take it back.

01:16:49: So I think that when you're able to align, sort of like what you want say with your abilities.

01:17:17: Like in my case it might be Timber and your chords are in harmony And In Your Case It Might Be Timber...like i'm gonna put this envelope in a certain way.

01:17:25: That I wouldn't be..I studied music production but I never really dedicated myself To understand envelopes.

01:17:32: that well....to actually create an emotion based on it.

01:17:36: I Think its something similar.

01:17:40: So so yeah, I...I don't know if If i went too far away

01:17:46: from what we were

01:17:47: talking about but But uh Yeah, it's different different worlds.

01:17:52: Talking About music in general is just different elements that you put together and when You do That Something beautiful comes out because you Know Where are you want to get.

01:18:04: there's a little bit of view When There's Knowledge?

01:18:07: There Is Actually A Song like Candice.

01:18:10: Can this software that you developed, Musicalysis?

01:18:14: Can it also if you give it stems like a I don't know piano stem of the song?

01:18:21: can It also analyze that

01:18:25: eat can actually extract?

01:18:27: so let me

01:18:29: Because there is a song that i find super.

01:18:32: Super fascinating from a Harmonic standpoint and another understood why.

01:18:39: So I don't know if you can do it live, but But it would be super interesting to me too.

01:18:45: What?

01:18:47: This is a new computer.

01:18:48: i just bought this computer.

01:18:49: i don't have any files here.

01:18:51: oh Okay

01:18:52: so If i had an audio file i would upload It Here mm-hmm.

01:18:56: and then what he does Is You Can Break the Stems so you could see The melody.

01:19:00: you Could See like you Just Played And He Will Show you what is being played.

01:19:06: Musicalysis Can Separate the stems.

01:19:09: it separates the stems for you, so if you wanted to learn a melody.

01:19:12: You could follow the melody with the chords.

01:19:16: It's The technology of stem separation is great for instruments But polyphony has some issues because of the harmonic series.

01:19:28: So would UNI understand chords?

01:19:30: Because we hear the individual sounds but machines just listen to the whole spectrum.

01:19:35: So it's difficult for you to really understand what is a major chord, minor chords etc.

01:19:40: I think that its important that humans understand how to transcribe as well based on developing their ear.

01:19:52: so there would be limitation at this point.

01:19:56: but i think thats great.

01:20:00: if u have the chords then put them in here Or we can do a session.

01:20:06: You can play for me and... I mean,

01:20:09: there's of course codify right?

01:20:12: But i was just interested in exploring how far it goes because the song is so.... When you said that you could make nice songs without knowing what your talking about but its not as impactful or meaningful And it immediately had to make me think of this song, which is A Change Is Gonna Come by Sam Cooke.

01:20:42: Do you know this one?

01:20:44: Sam Cook I do but i'm not sure if I know the song.

01:20:46: Yeah what does that again?

01:20:47: You

01:20:47: need a change.

01:20:49: It's gonna come.

01:20:50: Now I don't know the lyrics for The Melody...you would have to sing that part.

01:20:54: No no..I cannot sing unfortunately!

01:20:56: I wish I could sing like you.

01:20:57: That will be.

01:20:59: I would definitely not be an educator with your voice, but... ...I love that you're still an educator although you have such a great voice.

01:21:06: Well i think we need to share our knowledge.. ..i think it's important.

01:21:10: Yeah

01:21:11: no its true!

01:21:12: It is

01:21:12: true!!

01:21:13: I loved the part.

01:21:15: I find a lot of joy man and idk what to tell ya.

01:21:17: Like.... I'd like for u to have the opportunity both of us For U to sing something.

01:21:23: I know it won't be in this session.

01:21:25: No pressure But I would love to have that with you because i think it's very transformational.

01:21:30: I've seen a time and time again, And its easier when u understand there is no push.

01:21:36: You're gonna sing in your own range but you are going be amazed of how good you can by just training especially if seeing what you were singing It really trying to sing inside the scale.

01:21:49: so right now turn on mic One, two three four five six set one.

01:21:57: Do that every day for a few months and you're not gonna lose.

01:22:02: You're going to be in pitch at all times And the more that you do that consistently, it's just like in the guitar and piano.

01:22:08: I've seen this with so many people who are much older than me That say hey somebody told us they needed to get lessons.

01:22:17: We got started.

01:22:18: They're not going to be Bruno Mars for sure.

01:22:22: This is where i'm very clear about vocal range.

01:22:26: The reason why he sings is because most people most teachers want to take the singer too.

01:22:32: You have to sing high if you wanna be a good singer, otherwise your not a good Singer.

01:22:37: and I would even say that Jacob Collier is NOT A VERY HIGH SINGER but he understands his range PERFECTLY!

01:22:44: He understands perfectly where his bridge IS which is WHERE HIS VOICE STRESSES AND THAT WILL MAKE YOU FEEL AN EMOTION!

01:22:53: Your voice in my voice will stress different A different height, but that's not important.

01:22:59: What some point is that you understand in the composition?

01:23:02: The composition has a Point where?

01:23:04: You need to stress your voice if you stress Your voice and now part of the comfort position you're gonna sound fine And that's something that most people have to experience In.

01:23:14: it has to make sense in your head and That's also one Of the things that I feel very proud about music Alice Is that people have this breakthrough moment were they go.

01:23:23: oh This is actually not so hard.

01:23:25: Now I understand.

01:23:27: And then there's an additional part of my range which is my head voice that it just an extension, that feels sort of fluty like this fluity sound but where it is?

01:23:37: It actually higher than my chest voice Like those things in your head might be complicated But when you see it You make sense of them.

01:23:46: now i want to go back and...you said something..and I didn't wanna distract the flow of conversation.

01:23:55: A new AI tool within music houses.

01:23:58: You are talking about.

01:23:59: I will need a teacher to learn the music theory and the scales.

01:24:02: So you can actually ask here show me C Lydian And it will play for you.

01:24:11: Then once he plays that, you can just follow there and he will show you The notes.

01:24:16: this is Here.

01:24:20: Now you've just validated the scale and He will keep going to show you other scales or their theory etc.

01:24:27: So there's that element as well, which is very important again to get good at understanding what scale is which.

01:24:33: Why does it work the way that he works?

01:24:35: why does it sound the way That sounds?

01:24:37: but then eventually The communication part.

01:24:40: for me It's though its most thrilling one.

01:24:42: when you have two people um...that maybe Have different like repertoire of music.

01:24:48: and how do You play this song?

01:24:49: Oh!

01:24:49: Its just this chords.

01:24:51: I think thats Just fascinating.

01:24:53: we can go back.

01:24:53: i Can Go Back And Think Of how he wasn't in the hideaway.

01:24:57: And those were some of my favorite moments there where, you know... There was somebody playing like a cool vamp.

01:25:04: I didn't know what it was?

01:25:05: i just look at it for-for.. For a moment and then I can jam over or improvise Or tell the courts to someone now we're all in sync!

01:25:14: That's very magical.

01:25:15: It is different form of communication.

01:25:21: I love that.

01:25:21: its really cool What u did there And I can only encourage that people use it, because i already see how widely.

01:25:36: what do you say useful.

01:25:38: It can be like... That is so widely adapted to different things of learning and understanding.

01:25:49: Is it possible?

01:25:51: You had the range thing Somewhere in the conversation.

01:25:56: you had like a range of vocal voice somewhere.

01:26:03: Yeah, exactly so and You can put that where.

01:26:08: okay?

01:26:09: We could put it anywhere.

01:26:10: Okay Yep!

01:26:11: You can adapt to your range.

01:26:13: What if I sing...I don't know The C which i'm not going do now but If I sang A C and I'm not completely on the note, would it be able to tell me?

01:26:28: You have a precision tuner too with numbers.

01:26:32: So its aligned with the number.

01:26:33: so if i am making you sing let's say the lead in scale from C one two three four oh sorry its leading.

01:26:45: so this will precisely tell how far form the center your are.

01:26:52: So this first, whatever's happening here will tell you like on the piano and instrument what are playing.

01:27:04: And then another one tells exactly if your singing it in pitch If you're singing out of the scale higher its going to get blue and under that note is yellow.

01:27:18: so you have a lot precision there.

01:27:20: If I do one, two three.

01:27:23: So let's say that i'm a little under the four and now you can adjust it until you actually get all right.

01:27:35: And at the beginning.

01:27:35: for most people who are just starting with singing That is probably what would recommend.

01:27:43: You're going to spend alot of time seeing in this same note over again Until your ears suddenly recognizes What feels like being pitched.

01:27:52: First you need that sort of like train track, right?

01:27:58: By listening to another note and then if you're singing in complete sync or close-to-complete sync.

01:28:07: Or how do say this?

01:28:09: Yeah, synchronization... You will feel it!

01:28:13: And that's what most people can do.

01:28:14: That is the reason why a lot of people can sing well when they are listening.

01:28:21: I would argue also that what's very important in music education for you to sing and acquire, because the rest of your voices are pulling you.

01:28:31: You start developing your sense of pitch based on sort-of like your training wheels when first riding a bicycle just so it keeps you straight.

01:28:42: And then eventually... ...you will recognize when you're in pitch!

01:28:45: Then moreover.... only seeing in this pitch, but this is actually the minor third of where I started.

01:28:53: And that's how you start forming the scales and then you can create small variations.

01:28:59: um so right now we're in C major.

01:29:01: i can take notes individually.

01:29:03: it can take the four ,i can bring it up .I can take.

01:29:07: let's take now those seven from this one seven...take a down keep editing, I edit the scale and will get a resulting scale.

01:29:18: So when you're singing that is also very important.

01:29:21: so if i sing major.

01:29:23: one two three sorry one second.

01:29:30: let me put this in C major.

01:29:37: now im going to sing it minor.

01:29:44: you start understanding, ah this is how the minor sound... ...is.

01:29:48: And it's just practice really!

01:29:51: It's like anything else.

01:29:54: This is fascinating.

01:29:55: I love that you did this and i can see how much effort went into this.. ..it's so interesting.

01:30:04: Unfortunately this was in first episode but its sad because of yours that I have to leave early, which is one and a half hours of conversation for me.

01:30:16: Is there something you want to say?

01:30:25: Maybe the topic we can discuss next time because... Yeah!

01:30:30: ...I would be so intrigued to have an analysis on things like chords or all these other things.

01:30:39: So i'd love to meet again.

01:30:41: But is there something, something that you are interested in?

01:30:45: or um... Something for hideaways?

01:30:47: Something from four people from Hideaway like anything did.

01:30:51: You want to say

01:30:53: I think i wanna thank you.

01:30:54: this was a very fruitful conversation.

01:30:56: it's sort of my first podcast and Very excited because uh..I wanna get into Into This realm soon.

01:31:03: And one thing That I had in mind Is Um....You don't Get To Talk Too Much About Yourself During These uh these sessions.

01:31:10: so i also wanted to ask a few questions but we're gonna have to leave it open my friend and meet some other time analyze the music.

01:31:19: I would love to connect again, I would loved you try with your MIDI keyboard in playing or singing.

01:31:27: see what do?

01:31:29: The one last thing that will show is Change to guitar.

01:31:36: so you also have guitars.

01:31:37: I don't know if your play guitar, but If we if we wanted to see this in a guitar You can also see it in the guitar.

01:31:44: So we could play chords etc.

01:31:47: and that would be.

01:31:48: That would be great.

01:31:48: having conversations about music like dissecting something that you really love you just show me A song and i would love to do more with that.

01:31:56: And then maybe taking some of those ideas and saying how can We put this into a song?

01:32:01: Maybe trying to do a song together which i've done many times virtually.

01:32:05: So definitely it's going to feel like a first part that will have another part, I hope!

01:32:18: I hope so too... Will you be in Italy?

01:32:26: No.. That one is far for me.

01:32:31: Yeah i understand

01:32:34: Are you going?

01:32:35: That's a little closer to you.

01:32:37: Where are you exactly?

01:32:38: in Germany

01:32:40: and the South like one hour south of Frankfurt,

01:32:43: where is that?

01:32:45: it's In the southwest Of Germany.

01:32:50: It was about an hour through the border France.

01:32:55: Okay Yeah yeah You're not.

01:32:58: so Munich is kind of like in though West?

01:33:02: Southeast.

01:33:03: No,

01:33:04: southeast.

01:33:05: Okay

01:33:06: Yes,

01:33:06: yes, so you're further down.

01:33:09: no

01:33:11: I'm more west.

01:33:13: Munich is very south.

01:33:15: i'm like yeah how do say it?

01:33:18: um i'm South in the south and west and munich Is very south in the east.

01:33:24: So that is almost close to austria And maybe two hours from austria so It's quite south.

01:33:33: Okay,

01:33:34: there is a funny perception in Germany.

01:33:37: If you're from the north... That's

01:33:41: Berlin right?

01:33:43: For example if you are from Berlin or Hamburg everything that basically south of your city is already South.

01:33:52: and if you're form the south everything North like maybe an hour north for me was already North.

01:33:59: It's in Germany, it is a quite funny shift of how people perceive south and north.

01:34:05: One question I have for you Is How come your English so amazing?

01:34:09: Because You Have A Lot Of Vocabulary.

01:34:11: Oh Thanks!

01:34:12: I'm not sure.

01:34:13: actually Maybe because?

01:34:18: Okay maybe because i've been listening to rap music since i am twelve thirteen Also been starting to watch movies every single movie since I'm eighteen, and watching it in English.

01:34:35: I am talking a lot of English because i have friends...I was in London for half-a year

01:34:42: having

01:34:43: studied abroad.

01:34:45: but actually when I was in london..i had a proper British accent when I left But its completely lost.

01:34:56: Propa is already a very British word.

01:34:59: Yeah, it was completely gone.

01:35:01: and now I'm very like...I am Dirk Nowitzki you know?

01:35:06: I'm the typical German accent.

01:35:10: You sound great man!

01:35:11: And your...and i really want to thank for doing this.. I think that It-it was great....you sort of see's the opportunity getting great musicians Together to have these conversations which I'm very appreciative of.

01:35:28: And you know, uh II Don't know if If hopefully we'll meet again.

01:35:34: Have you come to America?

01:35:35: If i go To Europe and plan it too eventually coming to europe and i would love to Meet with You

01:35:39: but that will be great.

01:35:40: on That old second session i would also Love for you two maybe talk about timber a little bit Which is not my world And i want to get My mind refreshed On It because um It's been a while.

01:35:54: And

01:35:56: I can share my screen and turn some knobs with envelopes, funny things like that.

01:36:05: What is maybe something?

01:36:07: if people from Hideaway?

01:36:09: If they're interested in... because i see how applicable it would be for people from hideaway Your musicalysis Is there something you don't know?

01:36:22: Do they write you?

01:36:23: where do the go to, so going through this software?

01:36:28: Yeah.

01:36:28: Music houses isn't in beta right now.

01:36:31: anybody can go and get a subscription And there's a free trial So Anybody can Can do it.

01:36:37: I had uh A little bit of a promo which You did reach out when i first sent that Out.

01:36:41: but The open rate was a Little low for people from the hideaway, and I didn't insist.

01:37:04: You already experienced some of the features.

01:37:17: The AI Chad, the assistant.

01:37:20: We didn't get to do the collapse so I could see what you were playing But that's available as well.

01:37:24: and then you saw all the music theory the automatic AI analysis.

01:37:28: All of that is included.

01:37:30: So people can just go try for free.

01:37:33: And yeah at this point i'm super happy to talk about it To get feedback etc.. Yeah also appreciate you bringing that up.

01:37:43: That's great.

01:37:44: And you're probably in the Facebook group, right?

01:37:46: In a hideaway group.

01:37:49: I think i am but im not very active on facebook.

01:37:52: But if

01:37:52: u tell me that they are active at facebook maybe i should go there and start posting.

01:37:57: Oh yeah of course not everyone.

01:38:01: There's three hundred people obviously But theres quite still an active group which I check like every two or three days, that's the only reason why i'm on facebook still.

01:38:15: Oh yeah?

01:38:16: Well Facebook is something I haven't used in a while...I was very active but it has been hacked one time so I sort of grew also a little bit.

01:38:31: Philip are you going to...?

01:38:33: to the next hideaway.

01:38:35: last question are you gonna be going?

01:38:36: did your response that you are okay?

01:38:38: yeah i am.

01:38:39: yeah i'm not

01:38:40: great either.

01:38:41: yeah

01:38:42: I would love too have another conversation after it.

01:38:45: yes before oh yeah

01:38:46: all year.

01:38:47: yeah right ok right have a good day

01:38:50: Philip.

01:38:51: thank you so much.

01:38:52: see ya my friend

01:38:54: bye-bye.